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Need advice on possible 2017 Tucson purchase

I'm considering getting 2017 Tuscon, probably the base model but open to options.

When I see all the problems with the DCT like the temp warning lights and other problems I wouldn't get one with a DCT .

Is the 6 speed auto transmission reliable?

Any engines that are considered reliable or to avoid?

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Ron, welcome. I think you need to test drive both latest models. I was also concerned about DCT and went with 6 speed automatic with 2 litre 184HP diesel. I am pretty happy with the car and reasonably happy with the gearbox so far. As long as DCT works well it's a fantastic concept. I had a VW GTI with DSG/DCT and was brilliant. If you do lots of crawling in traffic with lots of stop starts then automatic gear boxes are generally superior as it's smoother. What engine : gearbox combos do you get where you live? I am based in New Zealand.


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Buy what you feel comfortable with, but I'm completely happy with the 1.6T and the DCT. Glad I didn't go with the 2.0 as that the same motor that's in my Elantra Sport and detuned to boot.


The 6 speed is a good transmission.
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Hi Ron. Here were my thoughts on the Tucsons with the DCT when I was trying to decide which Tucson to buy. Most people who bought a Tucson with the DCT did not have any problems with it. Of the people who did have problems with the DCT, most had those problems resolved or reduced with Hyundai's service updates. However, there are still a significant number Tucson owners with the DCT that hate them and continue to have real problems with them. I was just not willing to take the chance that I would be one of the ones who had continual problems with the DCT. If you live in the US and want a Tucson without a DCT then you have 2 choices: The SE or the SE Plus. The SE Plus was not available when I bought my SE three months ago. I am very very happy with my decision to get the SE (with the popular pkg.) I think the 2.0 is a great engine and I don't find it under powered at all. I think there is a misconception that if a car manufacturer offers two engines then the engine with less horsepower must be under powered. It is not (at least for most people). The 2.0 with the automatic transmission is a smooth shifting, quiet, and reliable setup. I'm sure the 1.6 turbo is a great engine too, it's the DCT that was my concern. My favorite thing about the base SE is the simplicity of everything. Even the 5" touch screen display works great for me and I don't feel like I'm programming the launch of the Space Shuttle just to change the radio station.(My previous car's large touch screen display was a complicated nightmare). I am including a link that I have posted before on this forum. It is a review by Car and Driver of the SE with the 2.0. Good luck with your decision.
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Test drive it and make sure you're happy with it.

We hear many people that complain after they bought the car. Too noisy, too rough, etc... For this reason, test drive it as much as possible on various road surfaces, including highways! Take your time. Don't be in a hurry.

Make sure that the recalls have been taken care of.
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However, there are still a significant number Tucson owners with the DCT that hate them and continue to have real problems with them.

Define "significant". The NTHSA has had 208 complaints out of how many built? If 50K built, that's still less than 1% (.004% actually). Granted I feel for those having problems, but lets not exaggerate.


The HP numbers are close for both motors, 164 & 175. But's the TQ numbers that make the difference as the 2.0 is 151 4000 and the 1.6T is 195 1500. That makes a difference with a 3500 lb vehicle.


Buy what you want and feel comfortable with. As already stated, test drive in all sorts of environments.

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This is a no-brainer. Get one completely loaded with the ultimate package.

That DCT is a joy. You will pay more but it is far superior to the stripped models.

Only things I can find to improve on it would be an electric parking brake, smart cruise control and a heated steering wheel.

I also don't care for the auto rear deck loading, but some people do. I turned it off.

This car is a 100% improvement over the old model and I bought one of them too and it was loaded. No comparison.

Also, I cannot see why anyone would need the Santa Fe unless they needed more cargo area.

This is a simply wonderful car and I've bought 33 new vehicles in my lifetime. It wins hands down.

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[QUOTE=solman98;5014937]Define "significant". The NTHSA has had 208 complaints out of how many built? If 50K built, that's still less than 1% (.004% actually). Granted I feel for those having problems, but lets not exaggerate.


I was not trying to bash the Tucson's with DCT's. Like I said, I'm sure the large majority of Tucson owners with DCT's have had no problem or the problem has been resolved. I would also guess that most DCT owners are happy with their choice. But really? .004% Really? Do you honestly believe that a tiny fraction of less than 1/10 of a percent have had an issue with there DCT Tucson? Here is how I would define significant: Go to the website CarComplaints.com. It recorded 84 DCT complaints for the first full model year of the DCT Tucson (2106). 84 does not seem like a huge number, but when you compare it to the number of transmission complaints to the 2015 Tucson (zero transmission complaints) or the 2016 Kia Sportage (zero transmission complaints) all of a sudden you see a concern. As a matter of fact CarComplaints.com stated there have been "an alarming number of complaints" with the Tucson's DCT. How about this for significant: on just one thread on this forum titled "Dangerous Horrible DCT" there is 194 pages, 1,937 posts and 241,875 views. That is by far more than any other thread on this forum. Lastly, why do you supposed Hyundai just introduced the SE Plus Tucson to the 2017 line-up. A pretty much loaded Tucson, but without the 1.6 engine and the DCT. If the 1.6 with the DCT was such an obviously superior power train with no significant concerns why on earth would Hyundai put the 2.0 non-DCT power train in such an upgraded trim? The answer is that power train is not without concerns and Hyundai knows it and they have not been able to totally resolve the DCT issues.

I would not think someone was making a mistake by buying a DCT Tucson. They would likely be getting a great vehicle that they will be very happy with. The DCT issues probably has been exaggerated to some degree on this forum, but to suggest that the DCT has not been problematic is even more of an exaggeration. If truly only .004% of Tucson owners had a problem with their DCT, than that would probably make it the most trouble free automobile part in the history of cars.
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Define "significant". The NTHSA has had 208 complaints out of how many built? If 50K built, that's still less than 1% (.004% actually). Granted I feel for those having problems, but lets not exaggerate.


I was not trying to bash the Tucson's with DCT's. Like I said, I'm sure the large majority of Tucson owners with DCT's have had no problem or the problem has been resolved. I would also guess that most DCT owners are happy with their choice. But really? .004% Really? Do you honestly believe that a tiny fraction of less than 1/10 of a percent have had an issue with there DCT Tucson? Here is how I would define significant: Go to the website CarComplaints.com. It recorded 84 DCT complaints for the first full model year of the DCT Tucson (2106). 84 does not seem like a huge number, but when you compare it to the number of transmission complaints to the 2015 Tucson (zero transmission complaints) or the 2016 Kia Sportage (zero transmission complaints) all of a sudden you see a concern. As a matter of fact CarComplaints.com stated there have been "an alarming number of complaints" with the Tucson's DCT. How about this for significant: on just one thread on this forum titled "Dangerous Horrible DCT" there is 194 pages, 1,937 posts and 241,875 views. That is by far more than any other thread on this forum. Lastly, why do you supposed Hyundai just introduced the SE Plus Tucson to the 2017 line-up. A pretty much loaded Tucson, but without the 1.6 engine and the DCT. If the 1.6 with the DCT was such an obviously superior power train with no significant concerns why on earth would Hyundai put the 2.0 non-DCT power train in such an upgraded trim? The answer is that power train is not without concerns and Hyundai knows it and they have not been able to totally resolve the DCT issues.

I would not think someone was making a mistake by buying a DCT Tucson. They would likely be getting a great vehicle that they will be very happy with. The DCT issues probably has been exaggerated to some degree on this forum, but to suggest that the DCT has not been problematic is even more of an exaggeration. If truly only .004% of Tucson owners had a problem with their DCT, than that would probably make it the most trouble free automobile part in the history of cars.

Fair enough, but you only enhanced what I stated. 84 complaints, out of that possible 50,000 units. That 194 page post, how many on there had problems and still have the same problems. Yes, there is couple on here still having problems. That happens with every make/model. Can't compare to the 2015 as Hyundai has used that same 6 speed for how long? I'm sure that that same website stated that "alarming number of complaint's" about many makes/models (big scary words). Most, about 99% are happy with their purchase, myself one of them. I drove the SE and I'm so glad I didn't go that route as I know with my location and how it would be used, underpowered. If you don't have to worry about hauling, towing, mountains, it might work for you. Not me and I love the 35 highway I get with it to boot. Why did they come put with the SE plus, well only Hyundai know that, but I'd guess is they sell so many of the low end models that they wanted to bump some numbers up. The 1.6T and the DCT are not going away, just an option. DCT's and turbo are becoming more mainstream for many reasons. The DCT has not been problematic, but some have had problems.


The DCT issue has been exaggerated by many, including many that have never even driven one. Don't want it, then don't buy it. Technology scares many people. But's it's also not fair to tell someone to there is a "significant" (your words) amount of people still having these problems and hating these DCT's, when that in fact is not true. I hope those few on here from the 194 page post that still have problems can come to a close soon. But the rest of us will continue to enjoy the power and smoothness of the 1.6T and the DCT.


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To answer your question, yes the 6speed auto is relatively reliable as it is a tried and true transmission.
My advice is drive both, you may be surprised. I was weary of the DCT but being the only option for the 1.6T it was not a difficult decision. The DCT shifts quick and smooth in my opinion, and I love the 1.6T. Hopefully it remains problem free.
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