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I have a 2001 Accent with a 1.6L engine. My son drove it yesterday with no problem. This morning when he tried to start it we would get a click from the starter when he turned the key and that's all. Tried jumping it. That didn't work. So I jumped to conclusions and replaced the starter. I have the same problem. Click.
I have taken the old starter and the battery to AutoZone and had them both tested. They both work fine. (They'll let me return the new starter if I want to remove it). I've cleaned the battery terminals and cable clamps. I still get the same click. What I did notice tonight after all of this is that when I turn the key the cable end/terminal clamp on the positive terminal SMOKES!

So, help me out here. Besides the obvious battery and starter swaps, where do I look now?
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Check voltage drop on the aged cable(s)..

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..... I still get the same click. What I did notice tonight after all of this is that when I turn the key the cable end/terminal clamp on the positive terminal SMOKES!

So, help me out here. Besides the obvious battery and starter swaps, where do I look now?
You have a short somewhere in your hi-amp line positive line, or a huge "resistance" in your hi-amp ground line. There shouldn't be much on this hi-amp circuit so it should be fairly easy to diagnose (you may need a multi-meter for continuity checking), when you turn the key the following happens:
  • Power from the key switch causes the starter relay to activate.
  • Relay activation causes the solenoid to activate (this is sort of like a relay).
  • Solenoid turns on the hi-amps to turn the starter.

There are other checks & balances in that circuit but they should all be on the low-amp side so with the positive cable getting hot enough to smoke, you have a serious short or load (resistance) somewhere in the hi-amp area. I'd first look at the obvious, like all the thick cables that go from the battery, through the solenoid, to the starter. Next, I'd have a close look at the heavy ground connections (not just at the battery - you should have a heavy ground connection to the body and to the engine. The engine one is important here). Since you say that the starter itself has been tested "good", and if all those cables look real good, I'd check the solenoid.

I haven't looked at the Accent schematics, but usually there are some fusible links that should melt before the positive cable starts to smoke. A fusible link generally looks like a big lump in the heavy red wires.
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I just looked at the Engine Electrical section of the manual and here are some other thoughts. Have you checked to see if the starter motor will turn when not inserted to connect to the ring-gear (you can check this by attaching the wires but not inserting the starter into it's "hole")?
  1. I'm wondering if the engine itself turns or is seized - you can check this manually with a socket on the front crank pulley bolt (harmonic balancer bolt) - turn it clockwise.
  2. If the engine will turn manually, you may have the starter installed in such a manner as to cause it not to be able to turn.

The reason I bring this up is that you do hear a click - if this click comes from around the starter, that would be the starter solenoid and the huge load would be the starter not turning (when an electric motor doesn't turn with power applied, it's like a short circuit). If the click comes from the box that contains the relays, that would be your starter relay and the solenoid may be shorting out - if the parts shop did it's test properly, this should be unlikely - they should have load tested both the solenoid and the starter motor.

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Thought, 1 that caused me some greif....

flip the A/C belt off, and try again,,,,, If it cracked,, just cut it off


A/C pulley was seized, and engine would not crank,,, heck of time trying to turn crank with bar and socket.

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Sounds like a bad ground. Check the negative battery cable where it meets the engine.

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Sounds like the cables. If they are getting some charge they might not be getting on the terminal tight enough a quick fix would be to take some thin copper and place between cable clamp and the batter terminal. I did this in my 99 Chrysler Sebring Lxi, to avoid having to replace the cables. Quick fix, but not a permanent one.

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Check starter solenoid (jump two terminals with screwdriver I think), grounds, and maybe even you have a bad connection...

Also dont rule out that something seized up, motor, or another pulley being locked up wont allow the motor to turn, and then that can cause the cable to smoke if you keep on the key long enough....


What about the clutch switch...not sure how to test that but maybe that has gone bad...?
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How was this issue resolved? I'm having the exact same problem with a 2001 Accent I just bought. Clicking noise coming from the black box where the relays are, but the engine isn't cranking. I'm not getting any smoke from the terminals either.
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Attached diagram shows the relevant parts.

If the Start relay in the engine fuse box operates, that should pull in the starter solenoid.
If it does not, the relay might be faulty.
Also, check the 30 Amp Fusible Link (ign). (Unlikely)
Check the battery Pos. cable which goes to the starter.
Also, check the battery Neg. cable which goes to the engine block.

If the Start relay chatters repeatedly, that's a sign that battery is weak or there is a loose/corroded connection in the battery circuit.

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