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Disrespecting the Anthem? I vote with my wallet.

Recently Hyundai issued a statement on twitter:

"We stand for and respect individuals’ freedoms to express their First Amendment rights in any peaceful manner in which they choose."
Why do they feel the need to support disrespecting the Flag or national Anthem as a protest?
Fine.

I also have the freedom to decide that my next car won't be a Hyundai or Kia (even if I already have two and was planning to get another one this year). I'll vote with my wallet.
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I don't blame any of the sponsors. I blame the player, teams, and the nfl. Glad I quit watching years ago.


None of this was going on when they became sponsors.

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But they issued a STATEMENT that they support that. They could be just silent. Or clearly distance themselves of the protests, if they feel they don't represent the company position.
Now I blame them.

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I'm more or less with SoNic67 on this ... (I'm not sure I am going to boycott Hyundai over their statements, but it is a controversial issue - their best course was to remain silent and stay out of it.)

For me personally, I support the player's right to protest and not stand during the national anthem. I don't support what they are doing, nor do I like it, and I think they are wrong to do so (and I have the ability to protest with my wallet also), but I think they have a right to do the wrong thing if they so choose and don't injure or interfere with anyone else.

(I also think the fans at the four games where the national anthem was not even played should have started singing it for themselves ...)
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Here's the rest of their major sponsors.


Anheuser-Busch
Barclaycard US
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Bridgestone
Campbell's Soup Company
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I also look at it this way, had they stated nothing, people would still be upset because they said nothing......

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Recently Hyundai issued a statement on twitter:

"We stand for and respect individuals’ freedoms to express their First Amendment rights in any peaceful manner in which they choose."
There was actually another line to their comment:


“We stand for and respect individuals’ freedoms to express their First Amendment rights in any peaceful manner in which they choose. We also stand for inclusion, freedom and all that represents those values.”


Another "fun" fact.


One fun little thing that most of us don’t talk about is the fact that the NFL gets over a billion (that’s with a B, let that sink in) in taxpayer-funded federal subsidies



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Government funded brainwashing. They need to keep the masses occupied. .

However I don't need a Korean-owned company to lecture me about "inclusion and freedom".
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Here's the rest of their major sponsors.
Anheuser-Busch
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Hyundai Motor America
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USAA

I also look at it this way, had they stated nothing, people would still be upset because they said nothing......
Disagree - they were already on the wrong side of the issue and they played it poorly b/c they don't understand USA politics/marketing.

Saying nothing would have been the smart play in this situation.

Opinions fall in 4 categories here:
- People don't support the players or what they are doing (huge group).
- People don't support the players but think they should be able to protest if they want (me).
- People support the players opinions, but don't think boycotting the anthem is constructive.
- People support the players opinions and support the boycott of the anthem.

Already, commentators such as Boortz and others in the second group are calling for a boycott of the NFL, NFL games, NFL televised programs, and NFL merchandise. (And on the counter side to that - Alejandro Villanueva is now the #1 selling jersey.) If that fails, the next step would be to try to boycott the companies that sponsor the games. If that happens, HMA is now a target and really wants to back away to the tune of "We support the sport and think the players can protest if they want to, but we take no opinion on whether or not they should be protesting".

The counter-side to that is there really aren't that many fans who support the players, their concerns for injustices and are going to run out and buy 50 Kaepernick jersey's to show their support and would then support a reverse boycott by buying more from sponsors and particularly those supporting the protest - which Hyundai would benefit from, but there aren't that many consumers in that category.


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64% of the fans want the players to stand:

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For me personally, I support the player's right to protest and not stand during the national anthem.
If you want to get REALLY technical.. and maybe it's not even technical, per se, but rather just a matter of should or should't.......... they don't necessarily have 'the right' to do anything.... they are a professional team under contract which includes certain rules of conduct. They give up their personal rights to promote and adhere to team conduct. They have the right to get drunk and get a hooker, but their conduct policy says they can't do that.

I heard on the radio today a little about this topic... of other circumstances where the NFL prohibited the players from expressing any kind of statement, be it political or not...

a couple examples...

1) Dallas (I believe it was) wanted to show support for the police officers gunned down in the line of duty....... NFL said no.

2) A player wanted to wear some pink in support for his mom with breast cancer.. NFL said no.

Ok, so those are actually the only ones I remember.. but the point is they were not allowed to even express non political sentiment... in support for their fans and communities...

So dissing the entire country is OK to the NFL? I highly doubt it. But which headline is less of a bomb to the NFL..... team kneels during anthem or NFL stomps on individual rights and prohibits team from expressing freedom of speech? If I'm the NFL I'd rather let the individual team take the hit and not the entire organization.

NFL hates the Patriots anyways...

As far as Hyundai.. maybe they should have stayed silent, but they took a neutral position.. if you're really going to read into it too much and boycott them and not buy their cars anymore...... well, that's your right too.. although it's a bit nonsense.

This is just why people should keep politics out of........ well, everything except politics. An NFL team kneeling during the anthem isn't going to do anything for social change/justice/what the **** ever. It will just piss people off.

Just play the game...... that's all they're there for. Nobody cares what your political view is. Just want to see you chase the ball around the field like monkeys and be entertained.

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