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QUOTE (tverheyd Mar 17 2011, 09:59 AM)
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So, recently I bought this 2011 SOnata GLS but it had 26,000 miles on it. The dealer said I would get the 60,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty, but not the 100,000 mile drivetrain warranty since it was non-transferrable. I could only get it if the car was 're-certified' and that would cost $1000. I figured the 60K bumper to bumper was more important than the drivetrain warranty since I've never seen a drivetrain fail, but with this new 'sealed' transmission I'm not so sure, seeing that it has not been tried and tested. Also, with forum members getting 200K drivetrain warranties for free, I feel like I got screwed. Thoughts?

As for "sealed transmissions", they aren't new and have been around for quite a long time. My 84 VW GTI had a "sealed" transmission, albeit a manual one. VW did not recommend changing the fluid and in fact proudly mentioned in the manual that the tranny should never need service throughout the life of the car. The only time the fluid ever got changed was when the driveshafts had to be replaced or the clutch. The tranny did have to be replaced once after about 150,000 miles, but that was due to a known faulty design, not from not changing the fluid. So I don't think the fact the tranny is "sealed" should cause any more worry of failures compared to one that isn't sealed.

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QUOTE (carfreak09 Mar 19 2011, 04:27 AM)
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I'm curious what you mean by "not extending the warranty to others when other brands will"? Hyundai offers the best bumper to bumper warranty and its fully transferable to the next owner. The only way you could get the same coverage on other cars is by buying an extended warranty. No other manufacturer offers the same lengthy powertrain warranty so there are no other brands to compare Hyundai with (both Kia and Mitsubishi lower their powertrain warranty to 5/60 when sold used). Suzuki is the closest with a 7 year/100k warranty that is fully transferable, but their bumper to bumper sucks at 3 year/36k. Chevy offers a 5 year/100k powertrain, but again only a 3 year/36k bumper to bumper. Most people average 12k/year, which means that you would only get 60,000 miles worth of coverage on the Chevy and 84,000 miles of coverage on the Suzuki. So how are their warranties better? Sure, there are those high mileage people that might get a little more use out of those warranties, but the chances are slim. To me, when buying a used car, I'd be more comforted by the long bumper to bumper warranty rather than a powertrain warranty that is rarely used.
Yes I was referring to Chevy. I guess it's a give-and-take between the bumper to bumper and the powertrain warranty. It just seemed logical to me that since Hyundai is trying to out-do everyone else why not make the powertrain warranty transferable, especially when it's rarely used, like you said. That would be an extra marketing gimmick, and show even more confidence in their product.
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QUOTE (carfreak09 Mar 19 2011, 03:27 AM)
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I'm curious what you mean by "not extending the warranty to others when other brands will"? Hyundai offers the best bumper to bumper warranty and its fully transferable to the next owner. The only way you could get the same coverage on other cars is by buying an extended warranty. No other manufacturer offers the same lengthy powertrain warranty so there are no other brands to compare Hyundai with (both Kia and Mitsubishi lower their powertrain warranty to 5/60 when sold used). Suzuki is the closest with a 7 year/100k warranty that is fully transferable, but their bumper to bumper sucks at 3 year/36k. Chevy offers a 5 year/100k powertrain, but again only a 3 year/36k bumper to bumper. Most people average 12k/year, which means that you would only get 60,000 miles worth of coverage on the Chevy and 84,000 miles of coverage on the Suzuki. So how are their warranties better? Sure, there are those high mileage people that might get a little more use out of those warranties, but the chances are slim. To me, when buying a used car, I'd be more comforted by the long bumper to bumper warranty rather than a powertrain warranty that is rarely used.
Hyundai "eliminates" the 10yr/100K mile powertrain warranty to second/non-original owners and defers all powertrain issues to the remainder of the 5yr/60K mile warranty on that vehicle. You buy a used 2011 Sonata with 25k miles on it, and you are covered for approximately 4yrs/35k miles, which ends up being less than 3yrs under typical mileage. Also remember that there are items not covered by Hyundai under the full 5/60...A/C refrigerant recharges, paint, audio systems, etc. Those are either 1/12 or 3/36 with Hyundai. If your Sonata's sound system, or a speaker, suddenly goes at 40k miles it isn't covered under the 5/60. That, however, can easily be fixed aftermarket. Personally, I would rather have the extended powertrain coverage. You can still drive the car with a blown speaker...it is DOA with a blown transmission or engine.

Other companies still maintain the powertrain warranty to used buyers. Chevy, for example, still offers the balance of the 5yr/100k mile powertrain warranty to used buyers. The 3yr/36k b-t-b may expire but the powertrain warranty will still be in effect (which is a blessing based on my personal, recent Chevy experience.)

There really is no reason why Hyundai couldn't do the same thing. If they can offer the original owner 10yrs or 100k miles on the powertrain they should be able to transfer the remainder of that to subsequent owners. Potentially demonstrates that Hyundai is more concerned about selling new cars than they are used (more a marketing gimmick than a testament to long-term durability.) Not only would used buyers benefit, the resale value of Hyundais would rise slightly.

Used owners could always buy a Hyundai Protection Plan before their 5/60 runs out, but the price of that may be cost prohibitive.


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My father bought a 2006 Azera from a Hyundai dealer and Hyundai did offer certification. I was a little apprehensive about it as I typically never buy the extended car warranty but I also went to other dealers in the area and they all had the same thing at the same price. All it does is give the buyer the same 10/100,000 that the original owner had. The car also needs to be inspected at a dealer for certification. When all was said and done, we got the dealer to budge and certify the car at no charge.

I was also told that you can certify after purchase as well in many cases. If you want to know more, I would just go into a dealer service department and ask about Hyundai certification.
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This is what he bought:


A lot of the used Hyundai's dealers keep on their lot are able to be certified but the dealer does not want to go through the added cost of certifing, listing it at the higher price, then negotiating from there. It is a good warranty in that it's Hyundai's warranty meaning you can have it fixed at any Hyundai dealer and go by the factory's maintance schedule (a lot of 3rd party warranties are very sneaky in this regard). Another added benefit is that he gets a 10 year/unlimited mileage roadside assistance plan from the in service date (standard is 5 years not 10). Honestly for a used car I believe its a very wise investment.
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QUOTE (ryster Mar 19 2011, 10:51 AM)
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Hyundai "eliminates" the 10yr/100K mile powertrain warranty to second/non-original owners and defers all powertrain issues to the remainder of the 5yr/60K mile warranty on that vehicle. You buy a used 2011 Sonata with 25k miles on it, and you are covered for approximately 4yrs/35k miles, which ends up being less than 3yrs under typical mileage. Also remember that there are items not covered by Hyundai under the full 5/60...A/C refrigerant recharges, paint, audio systems, etc. Those are either 1/12 or 3/36 with Hyundai. If your Sonata's sound system, or a speaker, suddenly goes at 40k miles it isn't covered under the 5/60. That, however, can easily be fixed aftermarket. Personally, I would rather have the extended powertrain coverage. You can still drive the car with a blown speaker...it is DOA with a blown transmission or engine.

Other companies still maintain the powertrain warranty to used buyers. Chevy, for example, still offers the balance of the 5yr/100k mile powertrain warranty to used buyers. The 3yr/36k b-t-b may expire but the powertrain warranty will still be in effect (which is a blessing based on my personal, recent Chevy experience.)

There really is no reason why Hyundai couldn't do the same thing. If they can offer the original owner 10yrs or 100k miles on the powertrain they should be able to transfer the remainder of that to subsequent owners. Potentially demonstrates that Hyundai is more concerned about selling new cars than they are used (more a marketing gimmick than a testament to long-term durability.) Not only would used buyers benefit, the resale value of Hyundais would rise slightly.

Used owners could always buy a Hyundai Protection Plan before their 5/60 runs out, but the price of that may be cost prohibitive.
Honestly, I agree. The warranty should transfer over, in order to help boost resale value and what not. I do see a potential reason behind not extending the warranty to the 2nd owner. Perhaps it's a big headache to Hyundai that could lead to unhappy owners and higher costs to corporate (it is a business afterall). Let me explain. Let's say a tranny blows at 80k. The 2nd owner bought the car at 65k. There is no record of the original owner replacing the fluid at 60k (assume that's the required change interval) and the 2nd owner hasn't hit the required mileage for a fluid change. Hyundai, being a stickler for having all documentation present in order to utilize the warranty, now has to inform a very unhappy customer that they can't honor the powertrain warranty due to neglect by the first owner. Not a great excuse, no. But, it makes sense when you look at it from the perspective of Hyundai. 2nd owners often have little to no knowledge of previous maintenance performed and sometimes don't care for their car as well as 1st time buyers do. Hyundai therefore saves some money by not having to deal with repairs caused by neglect from the 1st and/or the 2nd owner.

The powertrain warranty in and of itself is a marketing gimmick. Hyundai never would have offered it in the first place if their cars weren't durable, because all the claims would bankrupt them. The only point to the warranty is to grab people's attention and bring them in to buy by saying, yea, we think our products are so reliable, we will warranty them to 100k! Offering that same long warranty to a 2nd owner really doesn't benefit them too much because corporate isn't gaining anything from the sale. Many of the 2011 Sonata owners are first time Hyundai buyers because the car has been such a hit. They are still a little skeptical that Hyundai has truly shaked their poor quality image. Well, let me just say, that I bought a 2000 Accent new, only one year after the big warranty came out. That car was just as solidly built as my current 2010 Accent. Hyundai was already building good reliable cars back in 2000. They just needed something to get people's attention and show them this fact. And thus the 100k warranty was born.

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The Hyundai 10 Year/100K coverage used to transfer and they stopped it. You can't get your Hyundai "Certified" once you own it.
Asking for the selling Dealer to certify your car is like saying I have an extra $1000, here take it please. You would[b] not get
"Bumper to Bumper" extended coverage, as [b]"Certified" ONLY deals with power train. Even the original new Hyundai Warranty is in no means Bumper to Bumper. You can purchase an official Hyundai HPP up to 5 years or 60K later from a dealer, and while it might cost a little more, it is possible you can get the Hyundai J M & A Fidelity Platinum HPP with a Zero deductible for a great price. I didn't know that was even possible!
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QUOTE (sdaume Mar 20 2011, 05:11 PM)
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Another added benefit is that he gets a 10 year/unlimited mileage roadside assistance plan from the in service date (standard is 5 years not 10). Honestly for a used car I believe its a very wise investment.
Well not really as they will only pay up to [b]$75 per tow. The hook up charge and tow to my closest dealer is $300 alone. A far cry from the original unlimited Hyundai coverage. I looked very hard and found one auto club that will tow you 100 miles (AARP). Even the AAA will only tow you 6 miles unless you have been with them and qualify and select their extended policy.
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QUOTE (tverheyd Mar 17 2011, 08:59 AM)
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So, recently I bought this 2011 SOnata GLS but it had 26,000 miles on it. The dealer said I would get the 60,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty, but not the 100,000 mile drivetrain warranty since it was non-transferrable. I could only get it if the car was 're-certified' and that would cost $1000. I figured the 60K bumper to bumper was more important than the drivetrain warranty since I've never seen a drivetrain fail, but with this new 'sealed' transmission I'm not so sure, seeing that it has not been tried and tested. Also, with forum members getting 200K drivetrain warranties for free, I feel like I got screwed. Thoughts?
Not sure if anyone covered this already, but I'm in Southern California, the Hyundai Dealer in Irvine said over the phone, certifying a new/used Hyundai Sonata 2011 would cost $600 at the dealer. This would allow you to extend the 5 year/60k mile warranty to 10 year/100,000 miles bumper to bumper. (don't take my words to the grave, I'd call them first. Or let your dealer know. And I'm not sure if you're already established, but it should be able to be done after you purchased the vehicle too) Worth bringing up, to me...
At one point, I had purchased a new/used 2011 and had found, for $700 more, I could purchase a brand new, 16miles, Hyundai Sonata, returned the used one and kept the brand new. Check out the pic. I had 2 Sonatas in my driveway, thanks to the help of the forum users here, who advised that I was getting into a bad deal. Not saying that yours is a bad deal, just want you to see what I went through and it was well worth it. The direct input and advice from the forum here opened my eyes and made me rethink my whole transaction, and make a better decision based on facts and side by side numbers.
I also upgraded my 5year/60kmile warranty to 10year/100,000 mile warranty bumper to bumper for $10 more/month... I am happy and confident in my decision at this point.

Hope this info. helps a little.

Also, my bank allowed me 3 days to reverse the whole deal on the used vehicle. This was key in my pickiness.... I took full advantage of that and bought the new one so I was covered. The used vehicle was not certified so I couldn't do anything but take over the rest of the warranty's balance. I didn't feel good with that.

Feel free to pm me or repost here. Just give me time to respond as my schedule is really tight. But I will respond.
I owe this forum a huge favor for helping me see the obvious..

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The "Certified" part DOES NOT extend the "New Car Limited Warranty". It extends the P/T coverage only.

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